In this conversation, we explore the complicated relationship between many women and money. Touching pop culture, history, and our own experiences -- we discuss why it's no surprise many of us have hang-ups on managing, earning or even talking about money. Look, we're not trying to turn you into billionaires. We just don't want you to play it small!

Elisabeth and Gretchen are Forbes-featured founders of Trades of Hope, a multi-million dollar ethical fashion company that exists to create jobs for women in communities of extreme poverty by selling their fair trade accessories. And oh, yeah, they're a mother/daughter team. The driven, honest, unapologetic duo pull on their decades of experience in unscripted, candid conversations.

Elisabeth's IG: instagram.com/elisabethhuijskens

Gretchen's IG: instagram.com/gretchenhuijskens