Co-creation is on the set list for today's episode! Ben and Stephen sit down with Dr Lara Bianchi (another Institute award winner!) to talk about the Moral Capability Assessment Tool, giving hope and a voice to women in conflict-affected areas, and magic. Yes, that's right, magic!

Magic and play and a ground up approach - Lara talks about the benefits and the fun or working this way.

Links from the episode below!

Lara's University of Nottingham bio: https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/business/people/lizlb.html
Moral Capability Assessment Tool (MCAT): https://mcatnottingham.org/
Todd Landman, Academic Magician extraordinaire: https://www.todd-landman.com/