In today's episode, host Ray McManus is joined by photojournalist Sean Rayford to chat about his occupation and the repercussions of that work for the historical record. Later the shop talk continues when poet and organizer Al Black stops by to premiere his new poem, "How Black Lives Pose Matters." They talk verbs, nouns, and what ekphrasis really means. Hindsight 2020 is on view at the Columbia Museum of Art through November 21, 2021.

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