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 In this episode, Ryan Luis Rodriguez from Reels of Justice joins the podcast. He brings along the movie Working Girls. Marty and Clif give Ryan the movie Psycho to watch.

First up is Psycho, Alfred Hitchcock's legendary shocker that changed horror movies forever. Clif, Marty, and Ryan discuss Norman Bates, the famous shower scene, and why the film still works even when everyone already knows the ending.

Then it's on to Working Girls, Lizzie Borden's low-key but fascinating look at a day in the life of sex workers. The conversation covers the film's resemblance to Sean Baker's slice-of-life approach, its sense of humor, then finally, it's matter-of-fact tone and humanity.

Along the way: Norman Bates business management strategies, courtroom podcast updates, arguments over cult classics, and the realization that some movies are a lot stranger than their reputations suggest.

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