Barbara, Dan and Kelley talk to George Washington University lecturer and Defense Priorities fellow Ben Friedman about the stakes of provoking greater conflict with Russia in Ukraine. Recent Biden administration rhetoric via NATO suggests that Washington will continue to put it’s thumb on the scale without really planning to fight for Ukraine militarily. We also talk about Biden’s puzzling decision to not renew the no-brainer Open Skies treaty. 

Ben’s latest in NBCnews.com: “Biden doesn't like Russia's meddling in Ukraine. But he's not prepared to stop it”

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