Today's guest is Pat Kiloran, aka Nobody Likes You Pat, an artist, songwriter, and producer from the US who I was first introduced to in the summer of 2021. We wrote a slew of deep, impactful pop songs, including 'One Day Before I Die', which he released earlier this year as a single, and we continue to stay in touch and create together. This episode definitely deserves a second part - there was just too much that I wanted to keep, yet had to cut quite a bit for time. We talk about artistry & parenthood, how art being so deeply connected to the person of the artist may actually end up being a damaging practice for the creator, and songwriting as something which doesn't necessarily have to take away from everything else in your life for you to enjoy it.