This week I'm joined by returning favourite, Penny Greenhalgh. Penny is a TV writer, actor, clown, director - she does it all! I wanted to chat to about her experience as sketch-writer on the new ABC sketch series Urzila, starring the iconic Urzila Carlson.

We talk about what it's like in the writers room, before getting into Penny's relationship with directing solo shows, writing to a formula, and we explore the "rules" when it comes to getting earnest in a festival show.

I also pitch Penny a sketch!

Stick around at the end for a little preview of a split-bill coming to Melbourne Fringe.

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