In this episode of We Were Loud Once, Jeff and Dan sit down with Surreal the MC for a deep dive into the roots where hip hop and nu metal collide. We get into how hip hop culture and lyricism shaped the nu metal movement, the importance of groove and rhythm, and why the DJ became a core member of many nu metal bands, not just a background element. From turntables and sampling to live performance energy, Surreal breaks down how these elements helped define a generation of heavy music. Whether you grew up blasting Slipknot, Limp Bizkit, or Linkin Park, this conversation connects the dots between two worlds that changed music forever.