In this episode, Tunisha and Kyle sit down with adventurer, jiu-jitsu expert, and firefighter Stephan Kesting. The trio discusses Stephan’s journey into martial arts, his pioneering work in the submission grappling instructional space, how MMA communities have evolved (or at least changed), and near encounters with imaginary bears in the back country. Underlying themes include the possibility of authentic connections in MMA, and the importance of challenging performative masculinity and embracing empathy. 
Key topics:

• authentic relationships in MMA
• Red flags in BJJ gyms
• Performative masculinity 
• Empathy, leadership development, and resilience in personal development
• Community and mentorship
• Adventure, survival, and how to not die camping

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