In this episode of The Authentic Ewe Podcast, I sit down with Debbie Nicol — one of the world’s most recognised experts in The Leadership Challenge.

Deb shares a powerful truth most leaders forget:

You can’t just do leadership. You have to be a leader people want to follow.

We explore:

• What separates “doing leadership” from being a leader

• Why credibility and consistency matter more than tactics

• How the Five Practices of Exemplary Leadership work in real life

• The link between DISC behaviour and leadership effectiveness

• Why executive presence is misunderstood — and how Deb reframes it through Presence Pro

• How disconnection shows up in workplaces, and what real leaders do differently

• The behavioural shifts that turn managers into trusted, influential leaders

This conversation is grounded, practical and deeply human — a must-listen for leaders who want their influence to actually land.

🔗 Resources Mentioned

Presence Pro – Executive Presence Self-Assessment (Free)

https://presencepro.ai/

The Leadership Challenge – Kouzes & Posner

https://www.leadershipchallenge.com

Debie Nicol on LinkedIn

https://www.linkedin.com/in/debbienicol/

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