The Rise with Sterling Phoenix Podcast

You Don’t Know Your Customer. That’s Not Humility. It’s Negligence.


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Most teams say they’re “still learning” their customer. That’s not humility, it’s negligence. In this episode, Sterling Phoenix calls out the hidden costs of customer ignorance and lays out the clarity framework leaders use to move from guessing to knowing fast.

Everyone loves to say they’re “still learning” about their customer. It sounds humble. Curious. Open.

But in 2025? That’s not humility, that’s negligence because the data is there. The tools exist. The conversations are waiting. You just haven’t done the work. And every day you keep guessing, your message dulls, your team drifts, and your pipeline dies quietly.

The Lie That Sounds Like Leadership

“We’re still refining our ICP.”“We’re exploring new segments.”“We’re testing different messages.”

Sounds smart, right? Feels agile. Feels “strategic.” But what it really means is: “We’re comfortable staying vague.”

If you can’t name your economic buyer, their urgent pain, and the proof that earns their trust right now, you’re not strategic. You’re gambling.

The Cost of Guessing

Every wrong campaign burns cash.Every unvalidated persona drains morale.Every quarter of “exploration” is a quarter your competitors own the market.

Boards smell it.Recruiters see it.Your team feels it.

The best people don’t leave for money; they leave because they’re tired of executing a strategy built on guesses.

The Fix: From Guessing to Knowing

The leaders who rise do three things differently:

1. Segment for reality, not fiction.Forget “Marketing Mary.” Know who signs the check, who influences, who blocks. Build for all three, but prioritize the one with budget.

2. Get out of the building.Ten unfiltered customer calls beat ten strategy decks.Record. Transcribe. Listen.Your customer already told you what they’ll pay for—you just weren’t listening.

3. Validate in market.No more focus groups. No more internal polls.Test your message in real buying scenarios.If people don’t reply, don’t book, don’t buy—it’s not resonating. Period.

The Leadership Edge

Real humility is active. It books the calls. Tests the copy. Changes the plan when data contradicts ego.

Negligence is passive. It says, “We’ll figure it out.” And by the time you do, someone else already owns the space you were meant to lead.

FINAL SNAPSHOT

You don’t need another framework. You need evidence because clarity isn’t optional; it’s survival. And leaders who don’t know their customer lose twice: first in the market, then in credibility.

Stop hiding behind “still learning.” Start knowing so your team, your message, and your momentum can finally move.

If this episode hit home, send it to your team.If you’re a founder, listen twice.Because your customer isn’t waiting for you to get clear—they’ve already moved on.

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The Rise with Sterling Phoenix PodcastBy By Sterling Phoenix — strategist, fire-starter, clarity architect, and creator of Fueled by Success.