You’ve probably seen some version of the post on social media that says if you don’t come out of this quarantine with a new body or a new skill, it was never a lack of time that was getting in your way, it was your lack of discipline. Even in the middle of a pandemic, we’re being pressured to hustle... But is this really the time? Today, we’re joined by Ernest Owens, a journalist based in Philadelphia who recently wrote about this, and Michelle Cederberg, a health and productivity expert based in Calgary.

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