Matthew interviews Cami Kaos, exploring themes of neurodiversity, childhood experiences, and the challenges faced by individuals with ADHD and Autism. They discuss coping mechanisms, the impact of diagnosis on relationships, and the importance of advocacy in tech. The dialogue also delves into the nuances of calling in versus calling out in social interactions, emphasizing the need for understanding and allyship in professional spaces. In this conversation, Cami Kaos and Matthew explore various themes surrounding communication challenges, burnout, the complexities of autism, social interactions, and the role of empathy in both personal and professional contexts. Cami shares her experiences with burnout and autistic burnout, emphasizing the importance of understanding and respecting personal boundaries in social situations. They discuss the impact of alcohol as a social lubricant and the perceived versus actual value of empathy in business. The conversation also touches on leadership dynamics, self-worth, and aspirations for the future, culminating in a reflection on the weight of unemployment and the desire for personal growth.