“There’s nothing wrong with needing a time-out from your kid,“ says Ganell Lewis, who returns to the podcast to talk about the challenges of co-parenting, custody arrangements, and the influence of parents on children via both nature and nurture. Ganell argues that family courts work to keep children with their mothers regardless of the childrens’ best interest, and that the role of fathers is not taken seriously because it’s not recognized. Ms. Vonn argues that men don’t make the same sacrifices as women in terms of child rearing and therefore co-parenting should be divided more equally. Fleming argues that if women want equal custody, they have to give up a certain amount of power and control (and some will have to be willing to part with the extra money). Throughout this lively hour, all three dare to be honest about issues society tends to gloss over, fairly turn over both sides of every issue, and check themselves as gamely as they check each other and the rest of society. As always, they find humor and camaraderie amidst even the heavier topics, and you’ll find yourself nodding along–and shaking your head–throughout.

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