Jen from the Pilot Inspectors podcast returns to talk to me about the first time that they tried to make a new MacGyver series. It failed but it's lead is currently on his 15th season of a popular TV show, so it's all good. We talk the original (kind of), the cast and marvel at the sheer blandness of it all.It is so dull, Jen zones out for a bit. She talks so little after a while that I have actually kept in a long tangent about Fifty Shades of Grey. Enjoy! This was recorded before news of Supernatural's cancellation was announced.