In this episode of The Real Table Talk Pod, Dr. Alicia Watkins, Tiana Von Johnson, and Char Curry have a real conversation about accountability, apologies, shame, ego, and the courage it takes to make amends.

Why is it so hard for some people to say “I’m sorry”? Why do people become defensive when they know they caused harm? And how does shame block repair in relationships?

We talk about the difference between guilt and shame, why accountability can feel threatening, and how ego can keep people stuck in silence, blame, avoidance, or excuses. We also explore what a real apology sounds like, what making amends requires, and why healthy relationships need repair — not just regret.

This conversation is for anyone who has struggled to apologize, anyone who is waiting on accountability, and anyone learning how to move from defensiveness into emotional maturity.

Disclaimer: This podcast is for educational and entertainment purposes only and is not a substitute for therapy, mental health treatment, medical advice, or crisis support. If you are in crisis or need immediate help, please contact 988 in the U.S. or your local emergency support service.

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Hosted by Dr. Alicia Watkins, Tiana Von Johnson, and Char Curry