In this episode I speak candidly with my friend Phil Fleming about growing up with trauma. We explore the beginnings and the growth that trauma can have. Growing up in poverty, council estate, parental roles and getting over such things to building a successful life. Living in a world where our traumas are helping us to build a business. We dive deep into how exercise can be harmful and at the same time be a great thing. We dissect how coaching has benefited both of us at different ages and stages of our life. There is an aspect of our life’s that creates a healthy competition and unhealthy relationship with fitness.