Feminists often assume you're either with them, or you're wrong, and IMHO this is a a big reason why many fail to be persuasive.

However, Becs, my favorite and most charming Feminist friend was willing to come on for another round, and persuade me otherwise.

At the halfway point, we get into INCELs, and true and false claims of sexual harassment, and violence.

A history of and a future for misogyny and misandry.

So this conversation is not for the faint of heart, but needs to be had more often.