In this episode, Kate and Ousman chat with cousins Jakey and Jared Crum about their journey from songwriting in their basement to achieving a Grammy nomination. They discuss their collaborative dynamics, the creative process behind their music, and the importance of simplicity in songwriting. The conversation also touches on the pressures of the music industry, including the significance of metrics and social media, and the thrill of live performances. The Crum cousins share their experiences and insights, emphasizing the need for passion and consistency in pursuing a music career. In this engaging conversation, Jared Krumm and Jakey discuss their experiences in the music industry, from the surreal moment of being Grammy-nominated to the challenges of early career development. They share insights on dealing with burnout, the intricacies of publishing deals, and the importance of perseverance and self-belief in a competitive landscape. The duo emphasizes the value of collaboration and offers practical advice for aspiring artists, highlighting the need to stay true to oneself and not compare oneself to others.

• Jakey and Jared started their music journey in their basement.
• Their collaboration began unexpectedly, leading to a strong partnership.
• They complement each other's skills in production and songwriting.
• Simplicity in music is crucial for creating hit songs.
• Live performances bring a different thrill compared to studio work.
• Metrics and social media presence increasingly drive the music industry.
• Consistency and passion are key to success in the music industry.
• They experienced the pressure of losing a Grammy nomination before the event.
• Authenticity in music creation is essential despite industry pressures.
• Although theirTheir Grammy nomination was a significant milestone, they remain focused on future goals. You'll always keep going, but enjoying the moment is hard.
• It's the curse of never being content, which is also a blessing.
• We should be proud of ourselves and be blessed that we're even in this position.
• Mental fatigue is a real thing in the music industry.
• It's important to take breaks for mental health.
• A publishing deal is like a record deal for a writer.
• Don't compare yourself to others in the industry.
• If you want to do this shit, you'll find a way.
• You can literally record it off your phone.
• Spend the money wisely; it may not come back.