Here’s the second episode of my new podcast. My guest is journalist Zaid Jilani. Zaid is a good friend of mine. He’s also my former podcasting co-host. We have a lot of interests in common, but perhaps chief among them is the issue of crime and policing. As you’ll learn from this conversation, we both share a deep skepticism of the Defund the Police agenda. We talk about why here.

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