In this episode, Lucy Kind interviews Zander Rose, an industrial designer and the Executive Director of the Long Now Foundation, a non profit organization that fosters long term thinking and planning on the timescale of civilization. Zander tells Lucy about  the Long Now's efforts to build an immense mechanical clock that will keep time for 10,000 years. Lucy asks Zander about the benefits of "better, slower thinking," and Zander expands on his vision to set aside short term gains and prioritize decisions that benefit future generations, so our far distant ancestors can inherit a richer, more abundant planet.