Ben Burgis is a philosophy professor, a logic nerd, a columnist for Jacobin, and the author of Give Them an Argument: Logic for the Left. This conversation on the podcast came out of a twitter battle Burgis and I engaged in on the topic of the State Capitalist theory and the question of whether the Soviet Union was State Capitalist.

This week’s podcast is available for our Patrons, part two will be available for everyone next week. Our patrons get access to two podcasts every week: Symptomatic Redness and Zero Squared, but if you’re listening on our free feed you’ll always be able to access one or the other podcasts each week. Patrons also receive access to our new video series called The History of Communism and get access to the Capital Reading group. Book Club members receive electronic copies of new Zero Book titles every month and are invited to an online discussion group.