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  • 1632-E005: The One With The Monitors

    https://unfinishedbitness.info/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/1632_e005.mp3

    Podcast Download: E005

    This episode features the time from January 1987 through March 1987.  The hardware of focus are the Atari monitors.

    Links

    Atari Monitor List 7800: http://www.atari7800.org/monitor.htm

    Atari Wiki Monitor List: http://www.atari-wiki.com/index.php/CRT_Displays

    How Monitors Work: http://gradllc.com/images/Def.pdf

    Logo Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logo_%28programming_language%29

    Unfinished Bitness LOGO: https://unfinishedbitness.info/2016/12/21/looking-at-logo/

    Degas Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEGAS_(software)

    Degas File Formats: https://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=Degas

    Atari ST User #11 (1987.01): http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/atari-st-user-vol-01-issue-11.pdf

    Atari ST User #12 (1987.02): http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/atari-st-user-vol-01-issue-12.pdf

    Atari ST User #13 (1987.03): http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/atari-st-user-vol-02-issue-01.pdf

    Atari ST Log #10 (1987.01): http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/st-log-magazine-issue-10.pdf

    Atari ST Log #11 (1987.02): http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/st-log-magazine-issue-11.pdf

    Atari ST Log #12 (1987.03): http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/st-log-magazine-issue-12.pdf

    STart Magazine #4 (1987.Spring): http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/atari_start_vol_1_issue_4.pdf

    STart disks: http://www.atarimagazines.com/software/startsoftware.html

    Compute!s Atari ST #3 (1987.02): http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/compute-atari-st-issue-03.pdf

    Atari Explorer (1985.02): http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/Atari_Explorer_February_1985.pdf

    Atari Explorer (1985.Summer): http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/Atari_Explorer_Summer_1985.pdf

    Atari Explorer (1986.Winter): http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/Atari_Explorer_Winter_1986.pdf

    Atari Explorer (1986.Sep/Oct): http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/Atari_Explorer_September_October_1986.pdf

    Atari Explorer (1986.Nov/Dec): http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/Atari_Explorer_November_December_1986.pdf

    Atari Explorer (1987.Jan/Feb): http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/Atari_Explorer_January_February_1987.pdf

    Demo: Grusel: https://demozoo.org/productions/69543/

    Demo: The Voidship: https://demozoo.org/productions/94228/

    Demo: First Demo: https://demozoo.org/productions/76606/

    Demo: En Valsmord Maskin: https://demozoo.org/productions/65048/

    YM-Digital: http://ym-digital.i-demo.pl/music.html

    Factor6 on SoundCloud: https://soundcloud.com/factor6

    Music contained in the podcast is used with the written permission of the author, Factor6.  The track title is GeneraliST and was created on the Atari ST.
    1 hr 13 min
  • 1632-E004: The One With The Disk Drives

    https://unfinishedbitness.info/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/1632_e004.mp3

    Podcast Download: E004

    This episode features the time from October 1986 through December 1986.  The hardware of focus are the Atari SF354 and Atari SF314 disk drives.

    Links

    Extra-Life Team page: http://www.extra-life.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=donorDrive.team&teamID=30376

    Atari Wiki Disk Drive Pinout: http://www.atari-wiki.com/?title=Floppy_Disk_Drives

    Info-Coach Floppy Drive: http://info-coach.fr/atari/hardware/FD-Hard.php

    Prestel Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prestel

    Prestel History: http://www.historytoday.com/tom-lean/prestel-british-internet-never-was

    Inverse ATASCII S3E02 Synapse SynTrend: https://inverseatascii.info/2016/10/16/s3e02-synapse-syntrend-synstat-syngraph-supplement/

    Inverse ATASCII S2E10 Atari Graph-It: https://inverseatascii.info/2016/03/15/s2e10-atari-graph-it/

    Inverse ATASCII S2E41 Atari ST Writer: https://inverseatascii.info/2016/04/01/s2e41-atari-st-writer/

    Atari ST User #8 (1986.10): http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/atari-st-user-vol-01-issue-08.pdf

    Atari ST User #9 (1986.11): http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/atari-st-user-vol-01-issue-09.pdf

    Atari ST User #10 (1986.12): http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/atari-st-user-vol-01-issue-10.pdf

    Atari ST Log #7 (1986.10): http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/st-log-magazine-issue-07.pdf

    Atari ST Log #8 (1986.11): http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/st-log-magazine-issue-08.pdf

    Atari ST Log #9 (1986.12): http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/st-log-magazine-issue-09.pdf

    STart Magazine #2 (1986.Fall): http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/atari_start_vol_1_issue_2.pdf

    STart Magazine #3 (1986.Winter): http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/atari_start_vol_1_issue_3.pdf

    STart disks: http://www.atarimagazines.com/software/startsoftware.html

    Compute!s Atari ST #1 (1986.10): http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/compute-atari-st-issue-01.pdf

    Compute!s Atari ST #2 (1986.12): http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/compute-atari-st-issue-02.pdf

    Demo: Kanickeldemo: https://demozoo.org/productions/69990/

    Demo: Graphik Demonstrations Program: https://demozoo.org/productions/74373/

    Demo: Grafik und Sound Demo: https://demozoo.org/productions/69542/

    Demo: Picture and Sound Show: https://demozoo.org/productions/70016/

    YM-Digital: http://ym-digital.i-demo.pl/music.html

    Factor6 on SoundCloud: https://soundcloud.com/factor6

    Music contained in the podcast is used with the written permission of the author, Factor6.  The track title is GeneraliST and was created on the Atari ST.
    1 hr 22 min
  • 1632-E003: The One With The 520STM

    https://unfinishedbitness.info/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/1632_e003.mp3

    Podcast Download: E003

    This episode features the time from launch to March 1986.  The machine of focus is the Atari 520 STM.

    Links

    Extra-Life Donor page: http://www.extra-life.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=donorDrive.participant&participantID=222214

    Extra-Life Team page: http://www.extra-life.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=donorDrive.team&teamID=30376

    Unfinished Bitness blog: http://unfinishedbitness.info

    Best Electronics: http://www.best-electronics-ca.com

    Avatex 1200 Modem – Antic Review: http://www.atarimagazines.com/v5n7/ProductReviews.html

    FSK Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency-shift_keying

    DPSK Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-shift_keying#Differential_phase-shift_keying_.28DPSK.29

    OSS Personal Pascal @ AtariMania: http://www.atarimania.com/utility-atari-st-personal-pascal_23202.html

    OSS Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimized_Systems_Software

    OSS @ DigiPlanet: http://www.digplanet.com/wiki/Optimized_Systems_Software

    Atari ST BASIC Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_ST_BASIC

    MetaComCo Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetaComCo

    Atari ST User #5: http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/atari-st-user-vol-01-issue-05.pdf

    Atari ST User #6: http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/atari-st-user-vol-01-issue-06.pdf

    Atari ST User #7: http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/atari-st-user-vol-01-issue-07.pdf

    Atari ST Log #4: http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/st-log-magazine-issue-04.pdf

    Atari ST Log #5: http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/st-log-magazine-issue-05.pdf

    Atari ST Log #6: http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/st-log-magazine-issue-06.pdf

    Antic Podcast Jim Capparel interview: http://ataripodcast.libsyn.com/antic-the-atari-8-bit-podcast-episode-3-antic-open-hertz

    STart Magazine #1: http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/atari_start_vol_1_issue_1.pdf

    YM-Digital: http://ym-digital.i-demo.pl/music.html

    Factor6 on SoundCloud: https://soundcloud.com/factor6

    Music contained in the podcast is used with the written permission of the author, Factor6.  The track title is GeneraliST and was created on the Atari ST.
    55 min
  • 1632-E002: The One With The 1040ST

    https://unfinishedbitness.info/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/1632_e002.mp3

    Podcast Download: E002

    This episode features the time from April 1986 through June 1986.  The machine of focus is the Atari 1040 ST.

     

    Links

    Inverse ATASCII S2E1 AtariWriter: https://inverseatascii.info/2015/09/24/s2e01-atari-atariwriter/

    Inverse ATASCII S2E41 STWriter: https://inverseatascii.info/2016/04/01/s2e41-atari-st-writer/

    Using Atari ST in 2016: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXLLmu812QY

    Atari ST Wiki: http://www.atari-wiki.com/index.php/Atari_ST#ST.2B

    Atari 1040STE: http://www.atarimuseum.com/computers/16bits/1040ste.html

    Time Bandit Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Bandit

    Gauntlet Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauntlet_(1985_video_game)

    AtariCrypt: https://ataricrypt.blogspot.com

    AtariMania ST Games Index: http://www.atarimania.com/pgemainsoft.awp?type=G&system=S

    Bernoulli Box Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernoulli_Box

    Bernoulli Principle Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernoulli%27s_principle

    PC Magazine Bernoulli Review: http://books.google.com/books?id=Pq3POofPsBEC&lpg=PA62&pg=PA148#v=onepage&q&f=true

    VIP Professional Review: http://www.atarimania.com/utility-atari-st-vip-professional_28354.html

    Atari ST User Issue 2: http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/atari-st-user-vol-01-issue-02.pdf

    Atari ST User Issue 3: http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/atari-st-user-vol-01-issue-03.pdf

    Atari ST User Issue 4: http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/atari-st-user-vol-01-issue-04.pdf

    ST Log Issue 1: http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/st-log-magazine-issue-01.pdf

    ST Log Issue 2: http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/st-log-magazine-issue-02.pdf

    ST Log Issue 3: http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/st-log-magazine-issue-03.pdf

    Micro C Shell Review: http://www.atarimagazines.com/startv1n1/UNIXfortheST.html

    520 Station Photos (Blake P’s): https://www.flickr.com/photos/blakespot/2377352482/in/set-72157604329654261/

    GST 1st Word Review: http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/9833/GEM-1st-Word-Plus/

    GST Company Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GST_Computer_Systems

    NEOchrome Review: http://www.digplanet.com/wiki/NEOchrome

    Atari 2600 Game by Game Podcast: http://2600gamebygamepodcast.blogspot.com

    Fuji Boink Demo: https://demozoo.org/productions/98557/

    YM-Digital: http://ym-digital.i-demo.pl/music.html

    Factor6 on SoundCloud: https://soundcloud.com/factor6

    Music contained in the podcast is used with the written permission of the author, Factor6.  The track title is GeneraliST and was created on the Atari ST.
    57 min
  • 1632-E001: The One With The 520ST

    https://unfinishedbitness.info/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/1632_e001.mp3

    Podcast Download: E001

    This episode features the time from launch to March 1986.  The machine of focus is the Atari 520 ST.

    Links

    Atari ST Wiki: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_ST

    Atari 520ST: http://www.oldcomputers.net/atari520st.html

    Atari ST FAQ: http://atari.org/hosted/quickfaq/

    ASCI/SCSI bus: http://www.atari-wiki.com/?title=ACSI,_SCSI_and_IDE

    British Currency: https://www.milesfaster.co.uk/information/uk-currency.htm

    TOS History: http://ae.dhs.nu/tos/

    TOS Story: http://www.dadhacker.com/blog/?p=995  (Part 1)  Landon Dyer

    TOS Story: http://www.dadhacker.com/blog/?p=1000 (Part 2)

    GEM Wiki: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphical_Environment_Manager

    Atari ST User Issue 1: http://www.atarimania.com/mags/pdf/atari-st-user-issue-01.pdf

    Demo: Antic Christmas: https://demozoo.org/productions/64691/

    Demo: ST Tour: https://demozoo.org/productions/65063/

    Demo: SteelyBoink!: https://demozoo.org/productions/70769/

    Demo: Boink!: https://demozoo.org/productions/70769/

    Demo: JukeBok: https://demozoo.org/productions/64692/

    Demo: 520 ST Store Demo: https://demozoo.org/productions/65062/

    AtariCrypt: https://ataricrypt.blogspot.co.uk

    YM-Digital: http://ym-digital.i-demo.pl/music.html

    Factor6 on SoundCloud: https://soundcloud.com/factor6

    Music contained in the podcast is used with the written permission of the author, Factor6.  The track title is GeneraliST and was created on the Atari ST.
    55 min
  • S4E06 XLEnt Software Typesetter – Supplement

    https://inverseatascii.info/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/inverseatascii-s4e06-xlentsoftware_typesetter.mp3

    This episode features Typesetter, originally released in 1985 by XLEnt Software. It was written by Len Dorfman and Dennis Young.

    Podcast: Download

    Box and Supplement Scans

    I misplaced my copy of Typesetter between research and episode production, thus I was unable to scan it.  There is an image of the front and rear cover at AtariMania though.

    Front: http://www.atarimania.com/8bit/boxes/hi_res/typesetter_d7.jpg

    Rear: http://www.atarimania.com/8bit/boxes/hi_res/typesetter_d7_2.jpg

    Ad from Analog Magazine in January 1986:

     

    Typesetter in Action
    Boot Menu

    Typesetter 65 (48K version):

     

    Typesetter 130 (128K version):

     

    Editor 130 (128K version)

    Empty editor:

     

    Editor with graphic loaded:

     

    Erase screen confirmation:

     

    Mini DOS

    Graphic 8/7+ Load

    Which type, normal or expanded?

     

    What drive?  Press 2 for drive 2:

     

    Filename?

     

    Loaded:

     

    Character Set Load

    Which drive?

     

    Filename?

     

    Directory

     

    After pressing SPACE to load:

     

    Format

    Warning!

     

    Page Designer Load

    Normal or expanded?

     

     

    Typesetter Page Load

     

    Editor 65 (48K version)

    Empty editor:

     

    Exit confirmation:

     

    Graphic 8/7+ Load

    Start:

     

    Character Set Load

    Start:

     

    Directory

    Start:

     

     

    Sketch Pad

    Typesetter 130 (128K version):

     

    Typesetter 65 (48K version):

     

    Print

    Typesetter 130 (128K version)

    Select printer:

     

    Select size:

     

    Select printer (again!):

     

    Confirm printer (3rd time is a charm):

     

    Printing (finally):

     

     

    Typesetter 65 (48K version)

    Select printer:

     

    Select size:

     

    Select printer (again!):

     

    Confirm printer:

     

    Printing:

     

    Files

    Typesetter uses OSS DOS XL 2.30.  The disk is two sided, with Typesetter 65 (48K version) on side, and Typesetter 130 (128K version) on the other.  There are a number of sample fonts, pictures, sketches, and files included with each version.

    Typesetter 64 (48K) files:

     

    Typesetter 130 (128K) files:

     

    Printing

    Vertical Half Height:

    https://inverseatascii.info/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/s4e06-prt-verthalfhi.pdf

    Vertical Full Height:

    https://inverseatascii.info/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/s4e06-prt-vertfullhi.pdf

    Horizontal Full Height:

    https://inverseatascii.info/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/s4e06-prt-horfullhi.pdf

    Vertical Half Height (Expanded):

    https://inverseatascii.info/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/s4e06-prt-exp-verthalfhi.pdf

    Vertical Full Height (Expanded):

    https://inverseatascii.info/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/s4e06-prt-exp-vertfullhi.pdf

    Horizontal Full Height (Expanded):

    https://inverseatascii.info/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/s4e06-prt-exp-horfullhi.pdf

    Vertical Full Height (Expanded) Page Designer page:

    https://inverseatascii.info/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/s4e06-prt-exp-vertfullhi-pd.pdf

    Vertical Full Height (Expanded) Caveman pic:

    https://inverseatascii.info/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/s4e06-prt-exp-vertfullhi-caveman.pdf

     

    Instructions

    The manual can be found online at AtariMania (see link below).

     

    Show Links:
    • Atari Mania: http://www.atarimania.com/utility-atari-400-800-xl-xe-typesetter_12536.html
    • Telex: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telex
    • InverseATASCII S2 E1 Atari AtariWriter: https://inverseatascii.info/2015/09/24/s2e01-atari-atariwriter/
    • InverseATASCII S4 E1 Batteries Included PaperClip: https://inverseatascii.info/2017/10/03/s4e01-batteries-included-paperclip-supplement/
    • InverseATASCII S4 E2 XLEnt Software First XLEnt Word Processor: https://inverseatascii.info/2017/11/02/s4e02-xlent-software-first-xlent-word-processor-supplement/
    • InverseATASCII S4 E3 XLEnt Software MegaFont II+: https://inverseatascii.info/2017/11/19/s4e03-xlent-software-megafont-ii-supplement/
    • InverseATASCII S4 E4 XLEnt Software Page Designer: https://inverseatascii.info/2017/12/10/s4e04-xlent-software-page-designer-supplement/
    • InverseATASCII S4 E5 XLEnt Software The Rubber Stamp: https://inverseatascii.info/2017/12/24/s4e05-xlent-software-the-rubber-stamp-supplement/
      •  
      Intro music is an excerpt from a chip tune by Wizwars named 8 Bit Raceway.  It is used under Creative Common license Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 United States.
      30 min
    • S4E06 XLEnt Software TypeSetter

      Podcast: Download

      This episode features TypeSetter, originally released in 1985 by XLEnt Software. It was written by Len Dorfman and Dennis Young.

      Intro music is an excerpt from a chip tune by Wizwars named 8 Bit Raceway.  It is used under Creative Common license Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 United States.
      30 min
    • S4E05 XLEnt Software The Rubber Stamp – Supplement

      https://inverseatascii.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/inverseatascii-s4e05-xlentsoftware_therubberstamp.mp3

      This episode features The Rubber Stamp, originally released in 1985 by XLEnt Software. It was written by Len Dorfman, Dennis Young, and Randy Dellinger.

      Podcast: Download

      Box and Supplement Scans

      The Rubber Stamp front cover:

       

      Rear cover:

       

      Picture of the disk:

       

      Ad from Analog Magazine in August 1985:

       

      Ad from Analog Magazine in January 1986:

       

      Ad from Analog Magazine in June 1986:

       

      The Rubber Stamp in Action

      Boot menu:

       

      Loading:

       

      Main Menu

       

      Load Character Set

      Select drive:

       

      Enter filename:

       

      Directory

      Instructions:

       

      Select drive:

      First file:

      Having pressed SPACE to autoload, it asks what type of file:

       

      Format

      Instructional warning:

       

      Put new disk in:

       

      Wait while formatting:

       

      Sketch Pad Icon Load

      Select drive:

       

      Enter filename:

       

      Select quadrant:

       

      Print

      Info banner:

       

      Select screen or label:

       

      Sketch Pad Icon Save

      Select drive:

       

      Enter filename:

       

      Select quadrant:

       

      Confirm, abort:

       

      Screen Load

      Select drive:

       

      Enter filename:

       

      Screen Save

      Select drive:

       

      Enter filename:

       

      Text Editor

      Empty screen:

       

      Sample screen with multiple effects included:

       

      Quadrants:

       

      Slice menu:

       

      Slice turned off:

       

      Graphic Editor

      Here the graphic editor has been invoked on a screen full of text.  Note the Star Raiders style cursor:

       

      Adding just a graphic:

       

      Convert Icon

      Loading:

       

      Menu.  Follow the instructions for each option:

       

      Editor 16

      Loading:

       

      Select printer:

       

      Basic editor screen, with menu:

       

      Select character to edit:

       

      Editing the letter A:

       

      Are you sure you want to quit?

       

      Text 16×16

      Loading:

       

      Menu:

       

      Loading default font:

       

      Screen editor:

       

       

      Screen designed with 16×16 pixel font:

       

      Save Screen

      Select drive:

       

      Enter filename:

       

      Uh oh!  Error!  At least its handled well:

       

      Files

      Errors are handled gracefully:

      Except this one.  Ooops, something went wrong in Editor 16!:

       

      Back to DOS, why not?:

       

      The Rubber Stamp uses OSS DOS XL 2.30.  Between the two sides there are a number of 8×8 fonts, and one 16×16 font, a number of pictures, DOS, and the program files.

       

      Printing

      High resolution 16×16 font test:

      https://inverseatascii.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/s4e05-prt-e16-a-hi.pdf

      Low resolution 16×16 font test:

      https://inverseatascii.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/s4e05-prt-e16-a-low.pdf

      Label output:

      https://inverseatascii.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/s4e05-prt-prt-lbl.pdf

      Screen dump:

      https://inverseatascii.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/s4e05-prt-prt-scr.pdf

       

      Instructions

      The manual can be found online at AtariMania (see link below).

       

      Show Links:
      • Atari Mania: http://www.atarimania.com/utility-atari-400-800-xl-xe-rubber-stamp_12537.html
      • InverseATASCII S4 E2 XLEnt Software First XLEnt Word Processor: https://inverseatascii.info/2017/11/02/s4e02-xlent-software-first-xlent-word-processor-supplement/
      • InverseATASCII S4 E3 XLEnt Software MegaFont II+: https://inverseatascii.info/2017/11/19/s4e03-xlent-software-megafont-ii-supplement/
      • InverseATASCII S4 E4 XLEnt Software Page Designer: https://inverseatascii.info/2017/12/10/s4e04-xlent-software-page-designer-supplement/
        • Intro music is an excerpt from a chip tune by Wizwars named 8 Bit Raceway.  It is used under Creative Common license Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 United States.
        24 min
      • S4E05 XLEnt Software The Rubber Stamp

        Podcast: Download

        This episode features The Rubber Stamp, originally released in 1985 by XLEnt Software. It was written by Len Dorfman, Dennis Young, and Randy Dellinger.

        Intro music is an excerpt from a chip tune by Wizwars named 8 Bit Raceway.  It is used under Creative Common license Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 United States.
        24 min
      • S4E04 XLEnt Software Page Designer

        Podcast:Download

        This episode features Page Designer, originally released in 1985 by XLEnt Software. It was written by Dr. Len Dorfman and Dennis Young.

        Intro music is an excerpt from a chip tune by Wizwars named 8 Bit Raceway.  It is used under Creative Common license Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 United States.
        17 min