This episode has a bit of everything. The guys provide an update on grizzly bear delisting, pontificate on the Endangered Species Act, outline a new lawsuit challenging temporary agency appointments, and highlight the National Environmental Policy Act process. Then, they provide a 30,000 ft. break down a pack llama controversy in Alaska's Chugach National Forest, and briefly discuss wild sheep/domestic animal conflict.  There's a lot to unpack in this meandering conversation.