Warning: This episode contains references to human exploitation and is only intended to be heard by adults aged 18 and over. If you are likely to find this distressing, emotionally triggering or challenging,  please consider carefully how you might want to engage with this episode. We’ve provided links for support agencies in the description below. Stay safe.

Kelvin was a detective in the UK and worked undercover during the football hooliganism days developing human intelligence sources – a difficult thing to do for Kelvin being a die-hard rugby fan. 

Kelvin actually set up the first police under cover online investigation team within the UK Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre, better known as CEOP, and now part of the National Crime Agency or NCA…the UK equivalent of the FBI. 

We discuss how the internet has opened up new opportunities for peadophiles to identify and groom children, to share images and videos of child abuse, and establish dedicated forums for sharing ideas on how to stay hidden from the law enforcement agencies trying to stop them. 

Kelvin talks candidly about the cases he dealt with, the current epidemic of live streaming of child sexual exploitation, and the emerging issue of artificial intelligence being used to create images of child abuse. 

Emergency and support lines

UK emergency 999 / non-emergency 112, Europe emergency 112, US emergency 911 (A full list of global emergency telephone numbers can be accessed on Wikipediaat:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emergency_telephone_numbers) 

Childline 0800 1111

Crimestoppers UK 0800 555111

UK Modern Slavery & Exploitation Helpline 08000 121 700

Migrant Help 0808 8010 503

Rape Crisis England & Wales 0808 5002222