Let's Talk Modern Slavery

Welcome to this episode of Let’s Talk Modern Slavery, where I talk to Oliver Holland, a human rights lawyer specialising in business and human rights, with experience working on complex cases involving corporate accountability and global supply chains.

In this powerful and wide ranging conversation, Oliver draws on his work taking on some of the largest corporations to explore what accountability really looks like in practice, and the challenges of pursuing justice in cases linked to exploitation within global supply chains.

We discuss the realities behind high profile litigation, the role of the law in addressing forced labour and labour abuse, and the barriers that exist when trying to hold powerful actors to account. Oliver also reflects on the human impact at the centre of these cases, and the importance of evidence, persistence, and legal strategy in driving meaningful change.

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Disclaimer

This podcast was recorded on 6 February 2025. The case of Dhan Kumar Limbu and others v Dyson Technology Limited, Dyson Limited and Dyson Manufacturing Sdn Bhd, issued with case reference QB 2022 001698, was settled on 26 February 2026.

The parties to the proceedings have reached a settlement in recognition of the expenses of litigation and the benefits of settlement.

The Defendants deny and have always denied all liability in respect of the Claimants, who were employed by a third party supplier at factories in Malaysia owned and operated by ATA Industrial M Sdn Bhd and its related entities.

This settlement is not an admission of liability on the part of the Defendants.

If you or someone you suspect is a victim of modern slavery or other forms of exploitation or abuse, please see the list of support agencies and reporting lines below.

Your call could save someone’s life, including your own.

Stay safe.

Support agencies and reporting lines:

📞 UK emergency 999 Non emergency 112

🌍 Europe emergency 112

🇺🇸 US emergency 911

📖 Full list of global emergency telephone numbers available on Wikipedia

Modern Slavery and Exploitation Helpline Unseen UK 08000 121 700

Migrant Help 0808 8010 503

Crimestoppers UK 0800 555111

Rape Crisis England and Wales 0808 500 2222

UK National Domestic Helpline 0808 2000 247

NSPCC 0808 800 5000

Childline 0800 1111

Women’s Aid Federation of England [email protected]

Welcome to this episode of Let’s Talk Modern Slavery where I talk to Dr Julia Muraszkiewicz a leading expert in human rights and space law.

In this forward looking and wide ranging conversation Julia explores how technology and new frontiers are reshaping the risk of human exploitation from artificial intelligence to the growing race for space.

As industries rapidly develop from digital platforms to space exploration and the prospect of mining the Moon we examine how these shifts could create new vulnerabilities for trafficking and exploitation if left unregulated.

Drawing on her work in space law Julia explains the legal and governance gaps that exist as commercial activity expands beyond Earth and what this could mean for accountability and human rights protections in the future.

We discuss how AI is already being used to recruit control and exploit individuals at scale but also how it can be leveraged by investigators governments and organisations to identify victims map networks and disrupt trafficking operations.

Julia challenges us to think about whether our current legal and regulatory frameworks are equipped to deal with these emerging threats and what needs to happen now to prevent history repeating itself in new domains.

This is a conversation about power technology and accountability in a rapidly changing world.

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If you or someone you suspect is a victim of modern slavery or other forms of exploitation or abuse please see the list of support agencies and reporting lines below.

Your call could save someone’s life including your own.

Stay safe.

Support agencies and reporting lines

📞 UK emergency 999 Non emergency 112
🌍 Europe emergency 112
🇺🇸 US emergency 911
📖 Full list of global emergency telephone numbers available on Wikipedia

Modern Slavery and Exploitation Helpline Unseen UK 08000 121 700
Migrant Help 0808 8010 503
Crimestoppers UK 0800 555111
Rape Crisis England and Wales 0808 500 2222
UK National Domestic Helpline 0808 2000 247
NSPCC 0808 800 5000
Childline 0800 1111
Women’s Aid Federation of England [email protected]

Welcome to the first episode of this series, where I talk to Red Godfrey Sagoo, CEO of Rape Crisis South London – an organisation that has been at the forefront of supporting survivors of rape, sexual abuse, and all forms of gender-based violence.

In this deeply personal and powerful conversation, Red speaks from the heart about survival, resilience, and what true equality really means. She shares her journey as a leader and advocate, reflecting on the challenges faced by women and girls today, the impact of online culture, and her vision for a society that finally treats women and girls as equals.

This episode sets the tone for the new series of Let’s Talk Modern Slavery — honest, unflinching conversations with those working on the frontline of exploitation and human rights.

If you’d like to learn more about Red and Rape Crisis South London, visit www.rapecrisissouthlondon.org.uk

🎥 The full video episode is also available on YouTube:
 👉 https://www.youtube.com/@letstalkmodernslavery

If you or someone you suspect is a victim of modern slavery or other forms of exploitation or abuse, please see the list of support agencies and reporting lines below.

Your call could save someone’s life… including your own.

Stay safe.

Support agencies and reporting lines:

📞 UK emergency: 999 / Non-emergency: 112
 🌍 Europe emergency: 112
 🇺🇸 US emergency: 911
 📖 A full list of global emergency telephone numbers can be accessed on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...

• Rape Crisis South London - 24/7 Rape & Sexual Abuse Support Line: 0808 500 2222
• UK National Domestic Abuse Helpline: 0808 2000 247
• Childline: 0800 1111
• Crimestoppers UK: 0800 555111
• UK Modern Slavery & Exploitation Helpline: 08000 121 700
• Migrant Help: 0808 8010 503
• Rape Crisis England & Wales: 0808 5002222

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Welcome to this week’s episode where I talk to James Wright.

James is former UK military and a specialist in counter-terrorism with extensive experience in Somalia. James offers a unique perspective on the complex connections between terrorism and human trafficking in this volatile region.

Throughout our conversation, James provides an in-depth look at his work combating terrorist networks in Somalia and how these networks often intersect with human trafficking rings.

He explains how terrorist organizations exploit vulnerable populations, using human trafficking as both a funding mechanism and a recruitment strategy. We discuss the brutal realities faced by trafficking victims who are often coerced, kidnapped, or deceived into forced labor or combat roles.

James also sheds light on the challenges of counter-terrorism efforts in a country like Somalia, where political instability, poverty, and lack of enforcement mechanisms make it difficult to dismantle the intertwined networks of terror and trafficking.

If you’d like to learn more about James then visit him on LinkedIn at   / james-apd-wright  

Video versions of this episode are available on our official YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChfrYvGPJEZsPd1uh8bIhJg

If you or someone you suspect is a victim of modern slavery or other forms of exploitation or abuse, please see the list of support agencies and reporting lines in the episode description.

Your call could save someone’s life…including your own.

Stay safe.

Support agencies and reporting lines: UK emergency 999 / non-emergency 112, Europe emergency 112, US emergency 911 (A full list of global emergency telephone numbers can be accessed on Wikipedia at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of... ) UK National Domestic Abuse Helpline: 0808 2000 247 Childline 0800 1111 Crimestoppers UK 0800 555111 UK Modern Slavery & Exploitation Helpline 08000 121 700 Migrant Help 0808 8010 503 Rape Crisis England & Wales 0808 500222

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Welcome to this week’s episode where I talk to Shorouq Shatnawi. 


Shorouq is a Gender and Development Expert based in Jordan. 

Shorouq takes us on a journey across Jordan, shedding light on the unique vulnerabilities faced by women in war, conflict, and the reintegration process. 

In this episode, we delve into the systemic challenges that women face in the region. Shorouq discusses the underrepresentation of women in leadership roles and how gender-based violence disproportionately affects women compared to men, mirroring a troubling global trend. We explore the realities of human trafficking, where women are trafficked through the region for domestic work. With limited labor laws or regulations to protect domestic workers, many find themselves in situations of exploitation. 

Join us as Shorouq shares her expertise and experiences, bringing a much-needed focus on the intersection of gender, conflict, and modern slavery in the middle east. 

If you’d like to learn more about Shorouq visit her on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/msshatnawi/ 

Video versions of this episode are available on our official YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@illustroconsultancyltd 

If you or someone you suspect is a victim of modern slavery or other forms of exploitation or abuse, please see the list of support agencies and reporting lines in the episode description. 

Your call could save someone’s life…including your own. 

Stay safe. 

Support agencies and reporting lines: 

UK emergency 999 / non-emergency 112, Europe emergency 112, US emergency 911 (A full list of global emergency telephone numbers can be accessed on Wikipedia at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of... ) UK National Domestic Abuse Helpline: 0808 2000 247 Childline 0800 1111 Crimestoppers UK 0800 555111 UK Modern Slavery & Exploitation Helpline 08000 121 700 Migrant Help 0808 8010 503 Rape Crisis England & Wales 0808 500222 

#letstalkmodernslavery #modernslavery #slavery #modernslaveryawareness #humantrafficking #exploitation #mentalhealth #podcast #podcasting #truecrimepodcast #truecrimecommunity #middleeast #genderdevelopment #conflict 

Welcome to this week’s episode where we talk to Ian Waite. 

In this special episode of Let's Talk Modern Slavery, we put celebrity dancer Ian Waite to the test on a topic far removed from the ballroom: modern slavery. 

Known for his dynamic performances and vibrant personality on shows like Strictly Come Dancing and Dancing With the Stars, Ian steps into the challenging role of an advocate, tackling questions that reveal how much he really knows about this hidden global crisis. 

From the shocking realities of human trafficking to the subtle signs of exploitation, we delve into Ian's understanding of this crucial issue. 

The full video version of this episode is available on our official YouTube channel:  https://www.youtube.com/@illustroconsultancyltd 

If you or someone you suspect is a victim of modern slavery or other forms of exploitation or abuse, please see the list of support agencies and reporting lines below. 

Your call could save someone’s life…including your own. 

Stay safe. 

Support agencies and reporting lines 

 UK emergency 999 / non-emergency 112, Europe emergency 112, US emergency 911 (A full list of global emergency telephone numbers can be accessed on Wikipedia at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of... ) 
UK National Domestic Abuse Helpline: 0808 2000 247 
Childline 0800 1111 
Crimestoppers UK 0800 555111 
UK Modern Slavery & Exploitation Helpline 08000 121 700 
Migrant Help 0808 8010 503 
Rape Crisis England & Wales 0808 500222 

#letstalkmodernslavery #modernslavery #slavery #modernslaveryawareness #humantrafficking #exploitation #podcast #podcasting #truecrimepodcast #truecrimecommunity #truecrime #doesnothappenhere #onceyouseeit #mentalhealth 

Warning: This episode contains references to human exploitation and is only intended to be heard by adults aged 18 and over. If you are likely to find this distressing, emotionally triggering or challenging, please consider carefully how you might want to engage with this episode. We’ve provided links for support agencies in the description below. Stay safe. 

Welcome to this week’s episode where I talk to Peter Sewakiryanga. 

Peter is the Founder of Kyampisi, an organization in Uganda that deals with trafficking for child sacrifice. 

We originally visited Kyampisi in Series 1 with Sam Karugaba, but returned to speak to Peter to find out more. 

Originally an accountant, Peter was helping out at a soccer academy in Uganda and became aware of an eight-year-old child who had gone missing for several days. They searched and found the child’s decapitated body discarded in bushes with his genitals removed. Three children from the area of Kyampisi were later discovered in similar conditions. Helping the bereaved families of both cases, Peter learned about the extent to which child sacrifice was occurring. 

Peter tells us how children are lured by traffickers on their way back from school, kidnapped, or even their parents will kill their own children in the belief that this will bring them good fortune. 

Fear of witchcraft, corruption, and lack of capacity of police to investigate these cases are factors that have allowed this crime to endure, with similar belief systems known to exist across Africa. 

Peter talks about how Kyampisi works with the police to rescue children, bringing them into a safe house to provide them protection, shelter, medical treatment, and education. 

If you’d like to learn more about Peter and Kyampisi visit their website at www.kyampisi.org 

The full video version of this episode is available on our official YouTube channel:  https://www.youtube.com/@illustroconsultancyltd 

If you or someone you suspect is a victim of modern slavery or other forms of exploitation or abuse, please see the list of support agencies and reporting lines in the episode description. 

Your call could save someone’s life…including your own. 

Stay safe. 

Support agencies and reporting lines 

UK emergency 999 / non-emergency 112, Europe emergency 112, US emergency 911 (A full list of global emergency telephone numbers can be accessed on Wikipedia at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of... ) UK National Domestic Abuse Helpline: 0808 2000 247 Childline 0800 1111 Crimestoppers UK 0800 555111 UK Modern Slavery & Exploitation Helpline 08000 121 700 Migrant Help 0808 8010 503 Rape Crisis England & Wales 0808 500222 

#letstalkmodernslavery #modernslavery #slavery #modernslaveryawareness #humantrafficking #exploitation #mentalhealth #podcast #podcasting #truecrimepodcast #truecrimecommunity #truecrime #childabuseprevention #murdernews 

Warning: This episode contains references to human exploitation and is only intended to be heard by adults aged 18 and over. If you are likely to find this distressing, emotionally triggering or challenging, please consider carefully how you might want to engage with this episode. We’ve provided links for support agencies in the description below. Stay safe. 

Welcome to this week’s episode where I talk to Meron Abdi.

Meron is a former public prosecutor in Ethiopia within the Customs Authority for the Ministry of Justice. 

Meron initially discusses how prosecutors in Ethiopia guide the police to conduct their investigations. In cases of human trafficking, prosecutors will regularly go with police to the locations where the trafficking took place to gather evidence. 

But in Ethiopia, as with many other countries, some communities don’t always accept police in, especially if the communities themselves financially benefit from the human trafficking and people smuggling taking place. 

Some communities in Ethiopia advocate for paying smugglers to send young men and women away to work, who in turn will remit the money back to the community. The community will regularly sell their cattle and other possessions to pay for the journey. 

Meron explains the three major smuggling routes out of Ethiopia and the dangers that the migrants face. Many experience being locked in containers, overcrowded boats, and die along the journey through illness, starvation, kidnappings and torture. 

The Ethiopian Government are trying to raise awareness to the communities on the risks of smuggling, but the flow of migration seems to be increasing. But was this always the case? 

The full video version of this episode is available on our official YouTube channel:  https://www.youtube.com/@illustroconsultancyltd 

If you or someone you suspect is a victim of modern slavery or other forms of exploitation or abuse, please see the list of support agencies and reporting lines below. 

Your call could save someone’s life…including your own. Stay safe. 

Support agencies and reporting lines

UK emergency 999 / non-emergency 112, Europe emergency 112, US emergency 911 (A full list of global emergency telephone numbers can be accessed on Wikipedia at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...) 

UK National Domestic Abuse Helpline: 0808 2000 247

Childline 0800 1111

Crimestoppers UK 0800 555111

UK Modern Slavery & Exploitation Helpline 08000 121 700

Migrant Help 0808 8010 503

Rape Crisis England & Wales 0808 500222

#letstalkmodernslavery #modernslavery #slavery #modernslaveryawareness #humantrafficking #exploitation #mentalhealth #podcast #podcasting #truecrimepodcast #truecrimecommunity #truecrime #migration #immigration #refugees #migrants #immigrants #humanrights #peoplesmuggling 

Warning: This episode contains references to human exploitation and is only intended to be heard by adults aged 18 and over. If you are likely to find this distressing, emotionally triggering or challenging, please consider carefully how you might want to engage with this episode. We’ve provided links for support agencies in the description below. Stay safe. 

Welcome to this week’s episode where we talk to Njeri Wa Migwi.

Njeri is the Founder of Usikimye, an organization which works towards ending sexual and gender-based violence (GBV) in Kenya. 

Njeri was also the co-organizer of The Femicide March in Kenya in early 2024, following the killing of young women. The woman was dismembered and her remains were stuffed into a plastic bag. A comment on social media by a male caused outrage as it suggested that women should take more care to protect themselves.  

Over 10,000 people marched with Njeri in the streets of Nairobi calling for change. 

Njeri explains what GBV is and how it encompasses Intimate Partner Violence (IPV), human trafficking, child abuse, rape, and forms of exploitation where a person’s gender is a factor. 

This is something that Njeri experienced herself. Her journey from being a victim of Intimate Partner Violence to then seeking help led to the discovery of so many other women who had undergone GBV. They all had similar stories.  

Njeri tells us why victims keep going back to their exploiters and draws parallels between the psychology of victimhood in cases of IPV and human trafficking. 

We learn how abuse begins with small, subtle incidences of name calling, belittling, gaslighting…and how our brains accept this as the reality. When the exploitation finally takes place, victims even feel they deserve their fate. 

If you’d like to learn more Njeri and Usikimye visit their website at www.usikimye.org

The full video version of this episode is available on our official YouTube channel:  
https://www.youtube.com/@illustroconsultancyltd

If you or someone you suspect is a victim of modern slavery or other forms of exploitation or abuse, please see the list of support agencies and reporting lines below. 

Your call could save someone’s life…including your own.  

Stay safe. 


Support agencies and reporting lines 

UK emergency 999 / non-emergency 112, Europe emergency 112, US emergency 911 (A full list of global emergency telephone numbers can be accessed on Wikipedia at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...
) 
UK National Domestic Abuse Helpline: 0808 2000 247
Childline 0800 1111
Crimestoppers UK 0800 555111
UK Modern Slavery & Exploitation Helpline 08000 121 700
Migrant Help 0808 8010 503
Rape Crisis England & Wales 0808 500222

#letstalkmodernslavery #modernslavery  #slavery #modernslaveryawareness #humantrafficking #exploitation  #podcast  #podcasting  #genderbasedviolence  #violence #gbv  #surviveandthrive  #femicide #endfemicideke #survivor #coercivecontrol #grooming #gaslighting #alphavictim #idealvictim #toxicmasculinity #trauma #survivor  #crime  #truecrimepodcast  #truecrimecommunity #truecrime #doesnothappenhere #onceyouseeit #mentalhealth  

Warning: This episode contains references to human exploitation and is only intended to be heard by adults aged 18 and over. If you are likely to find this distressing, emotionally triggering or challenging,  please consider carefully how you might want to engage with this episode. We’ve provided links for support agencies in the description below. Stay safe. 

Welcome to this week’s episode where we talk to Christina Meadows.

Christina is the Director of Operations and Rescue at the Nashville Anti Human Trafficking Coalition in the US. 

Losing her family unit through her parent’s divorce at the age of 15…an older male and female befriended Christina and began building a family unit of their own.

They slowly isolate Christina and gain her trust…and when a bond had formed…they introduced her to her trafficker.

Eventually marrying her trafficker, Christina was trafficked across the country and sexually exploited for 23 years.

In a cycle of exploitation, drug abuse, anger and fear, Christina ends up in prison for 3 and a half years after accepting charges on behalf of her trafficker. After her release, the cycle begins again.

At the age of 40, Christina finds herself in a sober living community with a new sponsor…enter the Nashville Anti Human Trafficking Coalition.


If you’d like to learn more about Christina and the Nashville Anti Trafficking Coalition visit their website at www.nahtcoalition.org  

For the full video interview with Christina, visit and subscribe to the official Illustro Consultancy YouTube Channel at: https://www.youtube.com/@illustroconsultancyltd

If you or someone you suspect is a victim of modern slavery or other forms of exploitation or abuse, please see the list of support agencies and reporting lines below.

Your call could save someone’s life…including your own.  

Stay safe. 


Support agencies and reporting lines 

UK emergency 999 / non-emergency 112, Europe emergency 112, US emergency 911 (A full list of global emergency telephone numbers can be accessed on Wikipedia at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emergency_telephone_numbers) 
UK National Domestic Abuse Helpline: 0808 2000 247
Childline 0800 1111
Crimestoppers UK 0800 555111
UK Modern Slavery & Exploitation Helpline 08000 121 700
Migrant Help 0808 8010 503
Rape Crisis England & Wales 0808 5002222

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