This week we have Hans Leibold of the legendary Overnight Drive podcast, Bare Mattress, and founding member of End of a Year / Self Defense Family on to talk about Braid's breakout album Frame and Canvas. We discuss Cold War stolen valor, skateboarding Army recruiters, the difference between Handsome and Hanson, Bernie Sanders' Chevy Cobalt, when they accidentally beep the horn in Red Dawn, Loud Pacino, Kim's Video and Music, waxing poetic on St. Mark's Place, the scent of Lou Reed, hugging Kate Bush, and Bob Nanna's brainwashing tactics. Han's breaks our brains by deconstructing how emo music romanticizes the mundane, Andrew has an existential crisis, Dan finishes his tour of duty in the Culture War, and we orchestrate a heist. Thank us for our service. // Follow us at @danbassini, @mysprocalledlife, @rustmidas @overnight_drive and @runintotheground. Listen to our RITG Mixtape Vol. 3 here and our Best of RITG Vol. 1 playlist here.