Did Jesus intend for His shepherds to hang with the "cool" crowd? Did Jesus care about the latest trends and being relevant. These are the questions that we have. When we hear about Carl Lentz, we are heartbroken that someone has fallen publicly, however we believe it raises awareness to a great danger in the church - the celebrity pastor movement. In this unplanned episode, we talk without show notes candidly about a conversation we recently had with a dear friend of ours who works in one of these celebrity churches.