Dr. Keith Witt is a psychotherapist and integral theorist. This conversation was powerful because I could feel the transmission of wise-elder energy in my body even through the video call. We discuss what integral theory is and how once you know the system, it is easy to see everywhere. We explore his optimism for the future amid the despair of the world currently. We finish by discussing how one develops a relationship to spirituality and the role of shamanism in our species’ past.