In this episode of DEI Will Not Die, Dr Bree Gorman sits down with DEI leader Teresa Lombardo to unpack the difference between performative and transformative DEI. From rainbow lanyards to LinkedIn posts on days of significance, Bree and Teresa get real about why signs and symbols matter—but only when backed by action. They discuss what true system-level change requires, why leadership accountability is critical, and how to tell if your organisation's DEI efforts are performative gestures or transformative commitments. Listen to this episode so you don't fall into the trap of doing performative DEI rather than transformative, sustainable change making. For tools, coaching, and support: breegorman.com.

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