Cathy O'Neil - a veteran of both Wall Street and Occupy Wall Street - joins me to discuss her new book, The Shame Machine. We discuss her previous book, Weapons of Math Destruction, how it led her to The Shame Machine, and how shame has become an invisible currency sustaining capitalism's most exploitative practices. Cathy outlines how social media "cancellations" are just free advertisements for social media companies, while the oligarchs and meritocrats who truly deserve to be shamed not only don't get shamed but also manage to profit off the shame everyone else is feeling. I don't think you'll ever view the relationship between corporations and shame the same way after you hear Cathy's analysis.

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