Backend Banter

#038 - I Got Caught Rolling my Own Auth... feat. Dev Agrawal

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Lane chats with Dev Agrawal— content creator & Developer Advocate at Clerk! Tune in as they discuss DevRel, authentication vs. authorization, JWT, and so much more in this episode. 

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Dev's Twitter: https://twitter.com/devagrawal09
Dev's Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@devagr

  • (00:00) - Introduction
  • (00:50) - Is Dev's name really Dev?
  • (02:10) - What is it about writing code that scares Dev?
  • (02:50) - JavaScript is one of the worst with dependencies
  • (03:09) - Dev's ideal world
  • (03:20) - .NET and Blazor
  • (03:59) - Blazor explained
  • (04:36) - WASM on the Front-end
  • (05:04) - Is Blazor unique to C# ?
  • (06:11) - What is a DevRel?
  • (08:07) - Lane's experience
  • (09:13) - You shouldn't roll your own Auth
  • (11:59) - Undifferentiated work
  • (13:56) - Authentication vs Authorization
  • (16:19) - Regarding Auth, which is a bigger pain point for companies
  • (16:48) - Pain points of Authorization
  • (18:38) - Pain Points of Authentication
  • (20:23) - Lane's perspective
  • (22:29) - Using a third party for authorization
  • (24:27) - Is Clerk used for both Authentication and Authorization?
  • (26:16) - JWT explained
  • (28:39) - Where is the users' data stored?
  • (29:27) - Features are developed as needed
  • (29:52) - Auth coupling to the rest of the system
  • (30:16) - Webhooks listeners to access user session data
  • (31:03) - Postgres foreign-data wrapper
  • (32:09) - Microservices sharing databases
  • (34:29) - CQRS
  • (37:37) - Average size of a company that uses Clerk
  • (40:50) - What are the most used ways to sign-in
  • (42:04) - Stances on passwords
  • (46:56) - OAuth
  • (50:33) - Why Lane dropped Sign-in with Twitter/X
  • (51:14) - What do popular services usually use?
  • (52:24) - Sign-in with Google
  • (57:39) - Unpopular opinion on Auth related web architecture
  • (01:00:17) - 2 ways of doing authentication
  • (01:05:59) - Where to find Dev
    • ...more
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