In this episode Michael and Stefan spoke with Mike Schoon, an associate professor in Arizona State University's School of Sustainability. They began by discussing Mike's previous career as an engineer and his PhD dissertation work on transboundary parks in Southern Africa, which he conducted while he was a PhD student at Indiana University, where he and Michael met as advisees of Lin Ostrom. They also talked about Mike's work on wildlife management in Arizona and the role he has played in the research communities on the Commons, as the co-Editor-in-Chief of the International Journal of the Commons, and Resilience, where he also plays a significant leadership role.