Ruth Kinna joins me to discuss Anarchic Agreements: A Field Guide to Collective Organizing, from PM Press. In this very short book, Ruth and her collaborators (Alex Prichard, Thomas Swann, and Seeds for Change) lay out a series of questions and possibilities which face any attempt at anarchist organizing, dealing directly with the seeming contradiction of anarchist constitutionalizing. The book also includes anarchist statements of principles from more than a century ago to the present day

In this conversation, Ruth and I discuss the meaning of the Occupy movement, the complicated relationship between anarchist and democratic forms of organization, and how to fight for real change.