In this episode, Savannah circles back back around to the topic of the widely misunderstood notion that labeling yourself as a crossdresser means that you may see yourself--or others may see you--as having a casual interest in dressing as your feminine self. Similar to the "just a crossdresser" episode of the past, this topic is a triggering and touchy topic for Savannah. She and Julie spar about whether the label of crossdresser designates one's gender identity versus whether it simply describes the mechanism in which one is able to affect one's gender expression. Julie talks about the fact that people can wear so many labels at the same time, not just that of "crossdresser". From talks of the new "Annie" on New York's Broadway to giving two animals the same color and listing them out loud sounds pornographic, Savannah and Julie take you on a passionate ride!

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SAVANNAH HAUK is the author of “Living with Crossdressing: Defining a New Normal” and “Living with Crossdressing: Discovering your True Identity“. While both focus on the male-to-female (mtf) crossdresser, “Defining a New Normal” delves into crossdressing and relationships and “Discovering Your True Identity” looks at the individual crossdressing journey. Her latest achievement is a TEDx Talk entitled "Demystifying the Crossdressing Experience".

Savannah is a male-to-female dual-gender crossdresser who is visible in the Upstate of South Carolina, active in local groups and advocating as a public speaker at LGBTQ+ conferences and workshops across the United States. At the moment, Savannah is working on more books, blogs, and projects focused on letting every crossdresser–young and mature–find their own confidence, expression, identity and voice.

IG @savannahhauk | FB @savannahhauk | FB @livingwithcrossdressing | web @livingwithcrossdressing.com

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JULIE RUBENSTEIN is a dedicated ally to transgender community and the certified image consultant and co-owner of Fox and Hanger. F&H is a unique service for transgender women and male-to-female crossdressers that creates customized virtual fashion and style “lookbooks”. Julie intuitively connects with each client to find them appropriate clothes, makeup, hair, and shape wear all in alignment with their budget, body type, authentic style and unique personality. Julie also provides enfemme coaching and wardrobe support. Julie has made it her life’s work to help MTF individuals feel safe and confident when it comes to their female persona, expression and identity.

IG @Juliemtfstyle | FB @foxandhanger | web @FoxandHanger.com