In this episode, Savannah introduces Pattie Smith to Julie. Pattie is a male-to-female dual-gender individual who finds and honors her feminine spirit through underdressing during the work week. Married to her high school sweetheart, Pattie's wife thought that Pattie's gender identity issues were a passing phase when she found out about Pattie's gender therapist. What comes from it is Pattie's personal and current balance for their masculine and feminine side, wearing camis and bras under their male work clothes. Sometimes a hint of mascara or filling the bra with breast forms while on a work errands makes Pattie's experience more complete. Julie and Savannah talk about Savannah's underdressing routine, its benefits in specific situations, and how it can be used to the greatest effect.

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SAVANNAH HAUK is the author of “Living with Crossdressing: Defining a New Normal” and “Living with Crossdressing: Discovering your True Identity“. While both focus on the male-to-female (mtf) crossdresser, “Defining a New Normal” delves into crossdressing and relationships and “Discovering Your True Identity” looks at the individual crossdressing journey. Her latest achievement is a TEDx Talk entitled "Demystifying the Crossdressing Experience". Savannah is a male-to-female dual-gender crossdresser who is visible in the Upstate of South Carolina, active in local groups and advocating as a public speaker at LGBTQ+ conferences and workshops across the United States. At the moment, Savannah is working on more books, blogs, and projects focused on letting every crossdresser–young and mature–find their own confidence, expression, identity and voice.

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JULIE RUBENSTEIN is a dedicated ally to transgender community and the certified image consultant and co-owner of Fox and Hanger. F&H is a unique service for transgender women and male-to-female crossdressers that creates customized virtual fashion and style “lookbooks”. Julie intuitively connects with each client to find them appropriate clothes, makeup, hair, and shape wear all in alignment with their budget, body type, authentic style and unique personality. Julie also provides enfemme coaching and wardrobe support. Julie has made it her life’s work to help MTF individuals feel safe and confident when it comes to their female persona, expression and identity.

IG @Juliemtfstyle | FB @foxandhanger | web @FoxandHanger.com