Matt Drance of Apple Outsider and Bookhouse talks with Guy and Rene about working at and with Apple, the unsung heroes of software,the difference between marketing and developer-driven management, how to get started, and twiddling the PS4 bits.

10: Matt Drance, the Apple Outsider

Debug is a conversational interview show about developing software and services, primarily for iPhone, iPad, Mac, and gaming. Hosted by Guy English and Rene Ritchie, it's all the great talk you get at the bar after the conference, wrapped up in convenient podcast form. Pull up a chair, hit play, join us.

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10: Matt Drance, the Apple Outsider

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