Zac is an awesome guy I met in Santa Cruz through the Couchsurfing app.  He had flown into San Francisco and bought a van so he could explore and surf his way down to Mexico.   We recorded in Santa Barbara & Venice Beach California.   The first 1 hr 25 mins is pretty serious so we added a few more goofing around at the end.   We discuss guns, drugs, our night at the comedy store and much more.   Enjoy!