10,000 Swamp Leaders

Soren Porskrog visits the Swamp and brings his challenging perspective on leading. We discuss his new book “After Commitment - Leadership When Reversibility is Gone. He talks about what happens when the “room” closes and going back is no longer an option.  He reminds us that the deepest form of failure in an organization is not the lost signal. It is the signal that lands perfectly and still changes nothing. We discuss the moves leaders can make under these circumstances. Soren brings the wisdom born from years of experience as a leader inside an organization, inside all these rooms. 

Soren’s Links

His website

Thanks for listening. Send me your feedback

I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am.

• Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro

• Great music by Jazz Night

• Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com 

Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Mick Yates makes a return visit to the swamp. This time he brings his deep knowledge and experience working inside the Artificial Intelligence movement. Mick has been a long-time student and teacher of AI. In our conversation, we discuss some of the many opportunities AI is bringing to our lives and work. But he doesn’t stop there. He shares his concerns about the power of AI to dominate our lives. This portion of the discussion also addresses ethics and the challenges that are bound to arise when so much AI power and control reside in a small group of wealthy individuals. Below are some links to Mick’s links to his own AI resources. Do check them out.

Mick’s Website: The Studio

LinkedIn

10000 Swamp Leaders Episode 54

Thanks for listening. Send me your feedback

I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am.

• Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro

• Great music by Jazz Night

• Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com 

Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

086_ Josette de Goede comes to the swamp to discuss her 40 years of leadership coaching and consulting experience. She brings a vibrant source of energy, education and wisdom to helping leaders develop more human effectiveness inside their organizations. We discuss her work helping leaders know themselves better by understanding their human “force fields”. She has a forthcoming book that addresses Professional Mastery, Human Capacity and Moral Mastery. We explore these elements and how to use them in ways that support the work of leading. Josette offers leadership resources for each of us.

Josette’s Links

Josette on LinkedIn

The Change Academy

EPL

Flink Veranderen

debaak

Thanks for listening. Send me your feedback

I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am.

• Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro

• Great music by Jazz Night

• Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com 

Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Tracy Roberts visits the Swamp and shares her story of building her graphic design business. There are lessons here for all of us about the work required to build a successful business. But this is just the beginning of her story. What came next was Tracy’s biggest life challenge. With candor, resolve and determination she reminds us to take nothing for granted. Enjoy the “Art of Stroke.” 

Tracy’s Links

https://www.instagram.com/art_of_stroke/ 

https://www.michaeljfox.org/ 

https://www.parkinson.org/ 

Thanks for listening. Send me your feedback

I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am.

• Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro

• Great music by Jazz Night

• Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com 

Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Dave Cooper returns to the Swamp to explore his Substack post “The Map That Wasn’t.” Dave's post caught my attention because he explores the real challenges the United States government faces as a result of going to war with Iran. Dave is uniquely qualified to comment on this topic. He brings over 20 years of service as a US Navy Seal that is followed up with two Master’s Degrees that focus on complexity theory and complex, adaptive systems. How he sees and speaks to the unfolding conflict offers a perspective most of us do not have. He then offers some ideas and moves that each of us could use to more effectively address the complex challenges we face in our lives and work. 

Dave’s Links

The Map That Wasn’t Substack March 16, 2026

The Leader Is Not The Engine Substack March 25, 2026

Dave’s First Podcast Visit to the Swamp May 9, 2022

Dave’s Medium Page

Contact Dave

Thanks for listening. Send me your feedback

I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am.

• Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro

• Great music by Jazz Night

• Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com 

Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Janet Hawkes comes to the Swamp to share her insights and experiences from leading for 18 years inside Kent County Council in the United Kingdom. Leading inside Kent taught Jan the art and craft of navigating a political culture while providing services to the citizens of Kent. She managed significant culture change processes and programs. She speaks directly to what she learned from mistakes, how to develop future leaders and the importance of listening and responding to frontline staff. We end with Jan discussing her own personal and professional transition from Kent County Council to private life. 

Jan’s Links

LinkedIn

Thanks for listening. Send me your feedback

I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am.

• Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro

• Great music by Jazz Night

• Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com 

Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Mau Espinosa joins me in the swamp to discuss his point of view on leadership and how he helps others through his “LET” approach to leadership development. Mau has travelled a challenging road to arrive at this moment. He is candid about his journey, how he learned from his mistakes and what he believes it takes to become a resilient leader of people and teams. Mau shares his Logic, Emotion, and Tactics approach to development and how it can work for all of us. Mau’s story of mistakes made, lessons learned, building resilience and finally achievement.

Mau’s Links

LinkedIn

Mau’s Website

G20

Mau’s Book

Mau’s Instagram  

Thanks for listening. Send me your feedback

I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am.

• Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro

• Great music by Jazz Night

• Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com 

Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Ryan van der Marel comes to the swamp and brings his wisdom and experience facilitating group conversations for deeper understanding and shared meaning. He shares how he coaches, nudges and holds the space so that groups and teams get to the heart of their aspirations, address their blockages and produce new pathways for collective impact. Anyone who facilitates groups will come away with a few new moves that support group work. 

Links:

Ryan’s Website  https://ryanvandermarel.com 

North Shore Nomads blog: https://nomadsmoto.wordpress.com

Radical Candor: https://www.radicalcandor.com/

15 Commitments of Conscious Leadership: https://conscious.is/15-commitments

Nonviolent (compassionate) communication: https://www.cnvc.org/

Ryan’s Contact Information: [email protected]

Thanks for listening. Send me your feedback

I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am.

• Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro

• Great music by Jazz Night

• Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com 

Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Eula Rohan visits the Swamp and shares how she walks alongside Australia's First Nation communities as they build cross sector leadership capacity. Eula is practicing the “harder craft” of large group facilitation processes that address layers of social complexity, difficult historical challenges and present day aspirations for healthy communities. Eula has a long history of training large horses. She understands that building a trusting relationship with an 800kg horse is similar to building trust with large groups of human beings. She tells us how that works.

Eula’s Links

LinkedIn

What an 800kg Horse Taught Me About Power Dynamics

 Deep Collaboration | Platform C

European Association for Horse Assisted Education.

Thanks for listening. Send me your feedback

I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am.

• Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro

• Great music by Jazz Night

• Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com 

Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp

Kelly Indira Buis comes to the Swamp to discuss the craft of group facilitation. Kelly is the founder of The Adaptation Company in The Hague, Netherlands. The work of facilitating groups of human beings is challenging. There are often multiple agendas and outcomes that need to be navigated for useful outcomes. Then there is the importance of getting all voices and ideas into the room and understood. Kelly has developed a clear process with four elements that help guide groups to outcomes they seek that lead to more helpful actions.  I suggest you also check Kelly out on LinkedIn using the link below. She has mastered the craft of using the LinkedIn platform for sharing ideas, resources and her point of view. 

Kelly’s Links

The Adaptation Company

LinkedIN

LinkedIn post

Thanks for listening. Send me your feedback

I want to thank my great team that helps me sound better than I am.

• Jacki Hydock for her lending her wonderful voice to our introduction and outro

• Great music by Jazz Night

• Awesome episode production by the great team of We Edit Podcasts all the way up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Check them out at www.weeditpodcasts.com 

Thanks For Listening and Jumping into the Swamp