What happens when the version of you everyone depends on is the very version you’re trying to outgrow?
In this episode of 10,000 Tabs, Kim sits down with writer, teacher, and former attorney Catherine Zack to explore the hidden cost of being the dependable one—the woman who anticipates everyone’s needs, keeps things running smoothly, and quietly carries far more than anyone realizes.
Together, they unpack the lifelong conditioning many women experience around being “good,” agreeable, emotionally available, and endlessly accommodating and how those patterns can slowly disconnect us from ourselves.
Catherine shares her transition from practicing law into yoga, and meditation, but this conversation goes far beyond career pivots. It’s about what happens when your identity has been built around being liked, understood, useful, and needed—and the uncomfortable reality that growth often requires disappointing people.
This episode is an invitation to ask: What would change if you stopped managing everyone else’s experience of you?
On this episode Catherine and Kim discuss:
The hidden emotional labor behind being the “good girl”Why highly capable women often become over-responsible for everyone around themThe relationship between caretaking, perfectionism, and burnoutHow people-pleasing shows up in work, leadership, and relationshipsThe discomfort of setting boundaries that other people may not understandWhy being misunderstood is part of growthHow women can begin separating their worth from how useful they are to others10,000 Tabs is a podcast about career change, reinvention, and what happens when life no longer fits the way it used to.
Each episode explores the moments when something shifts—when the version of life or work that once made sense no longer fits, and the next chapter hasn’t fully revealed itself yet.
Through candid conversations with founders, creatives, leaders, and everyday people, the show explores how we make meaning, find clarity, and move forward anyway.
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