What do we do when faced with suffering (either our own or someone else’s)? Dr. Daryl Van Tongeren and Sara Showalter Van Tongeren (authors of the new book The Courage to Suffer) join us to talk about existential questions, facing the darkness, and coming out on the other side. They walk us through the steps of Sunset, Dusk, Midnight, Dawn, and Daylight, explaining the importance of meaning-making and how we can help each other.