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Jared and Mike welcome MSNow opinion editor Anthony Fisher to this week’s cremium episode to talk about an old friend of ours, Bill Maher, and a friend we haven’t really talked about before: Ministry mosh-pit beefcake John Fetterman. 

The crew talks about a recent podcast featuring these brilliant, brave, heterodox liberals in conversation and what their popularity with Trump’s base says about them — and about the MAGA movement. 

Anthony came from libertarian circles, and the discussion turns to how meekly libertarians abandoned their principles at the feet of Trump. Mike also talks about his recent trip to "Restoration 250": a surreal, under-attended Christian nationalist Lollapalooza funded by your tax dollars. 

So sit back, open up a beer, and spend a little time with “Hitler McPedophile,” the man who will listen — if you’re only willing to speak to him.