What does it mean to be the first? In this episode, Bishop Johnson sits down with Bishop Gene Robinson for a thoughtful conversation about the courage, challenges, and responsibilities of breaking new ground. Together, they reflect on the weight of being "the first," the unexpected gifts and sacrifices of leadership, the difference between being a symbol and a servant, and the legacy they hope to leave for those who follow. This is a conversation about faith, resilience, and the enduring call to lead with courage and hope.