Fake it 'till you make it. You've heard that one a few, three...thousand times, eh? Well, what if that was the worst advice you could ever hear? Instead, Leslie Ehm wants you to focus on bringing your "swagger". And no, swagger isn't what you think it is (it actually looks and smells a lot like authenticity). Listen in to this high0energy and hilarious interview with the queen of swagger, and how you can practice getting your swagger on, so you can be everything you are and get everything you want. This week Erin sits down with former TV host and advertising Creative Director turned training guru, Leslie Ehm. She's a sagger coach, training guru, speaker, and now the best-selling author of "swagger: Unleash Everything You Are and Become Everything You Want." Erin kicks off by asking Leslie about herself pre-Swagger, especially when she worked on TV. Leslie grew up in Montreal but moved to London where she lived for 17 years. She discusses her start as a singer in a band and then landing a TV hosting gig. But, she quickly realized they wanted her to be a female Jerry Springer and she wanted to be a white Oprah. Erin asks if there was a certain moment when Leslie realized what she wanted to do, when she realized the power of her own "swagger". Leslie talks about working with someone who she clashed heads with a few times, because she has been putting on a persona at work. Then Leslie worked with her to just be herself, and she has since become the youngest VP of the company. Erin asks Leslie what the biggest clockers are that she has seen while coaching clients. Leslie says, although it's different for everyone, fear and insecurity are the most common (or the most easily identifiable). Erin follows this by asking Leslie, "How does radical change happen?" Leslie discusses the entrenched cultures in corporate workspaces, how people as individuals are now more capable (and ready to try) to change up those cultures to something more authentic. Erin asks Leslie her thoughts on "fake it till you make it"...she does not like it at all. Leslie says that true confidence only comes as a result of competence, a strong skillset can carry you through, whereas setting yourself up to "fake it till you make it", will only limit your own abilities. If you like jammin' with us on the podcast, b sure to join us for more fun and inspiration! Here are some options... Follow Nicole on LinkedIn:   Follow Erin on LinkedIn:   Check out the b BRILLIANT career coaching program @   b Cause Podcast Facebook group @   We even share more crazy stuff here (you probably thought that was impossible). Get your own copy of Erin's book by searching "You Do You Ish" in amazon or going to   Take our simple, fun and insightful "What Kind of Dog Are You At Work?" by going to   We have so much fun stuff going on...we wouldn't want you to miss out - join the authenticity movement and our community by adding your email just about anywhere @   Check out our blog for more of our no-BS career advice @   We have fun and inspiring t-shirts @ DISCLAIMER: This episode is not explicit, though contains mild swearing that may be unsustainable for younger audiences.  Tweetable Comments: "I'm so good at f***ing up, that I can do it when I'm talking about how I f***ed up." "Someone gets to do that cool thing so why not you?" "People at their very core just do not believe they could be who they really were and still achieve success." "She has been her badass, authentic, real, unleashed self. As a result, she is unstoppable, unshakeable, unquakeable." "I want to get to a place where I can speak my truth and believe myself." "Pain is memory." "We are all human, we are all a mess, and we all struggle." "Do you want to be seen and valued, or be in a prison of your own design." "It's not a platform problem, it's not an A.I problem. It's a people problem." "When you pay people a lot of money for a long time, they lose touch with reality." "Never 'fake it till you make it', because confidence can only come from competence." "What we need is self-belief, confidence is overrated." "If you spend all your time looking up, then you're not looking in."