Pain. We all face it. Can there be a purpose to it? Can it help us become more human, or even better humans? Scott and Troy talk about what can do in helping us become more human, less brittle, less angry if we let it.

We talk about Tish Warren's quote in her book Prayer in the Night: For Those Who Work or Watch or Weep..."The people I most respect are those who have suffered but did not numb their pain-who faced their darkness. In the process they have become beautifully weak, not tough as nails, not bitter or rigid, but men and women who bear vulnerability with joy and trust. They are almost luminescent, like a paper lantern, weak enough that the light shines through."