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118: China’s automobility, micromobility and more with Michael Dunne from Zozogo/Winning in Asia


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Today Oliver interviews Michael Dunne, founder of Zozogo, former VP of JD Power in China, GM of General Motors Indonesia and host of the Winning in Asia podcast which covers the auto sector in China. Mike has a huge depth of experience in China, which is an area that the team haven’t covered as much as we’d like on this show. The conversation gave rise to a lot of discussions about the lay of the land in the Chinese auto sector, the role of the Chinese auto sector in Micromobility and how micromobility will need to change to see adoption from those who are coming from poverty into wealth and are looking for highly performant and high status vehicles. It’s a great discussion and one that we think you’ll really enjoy.
Specifically they dig into:
- Mike’s background and how a kid from Detroit ended up in China in the 1990s.
- the Dynamics of the local Chinese car industry, including a breakdown of local vs joint ventures vs Tesla. 
- what (totally crazy!) excess capacity in the auto sector looks like and why that might matter for Micromobility 
- the top down vs bottom up nature of industry in China, and why the incentives matter.
- infrastructure in China - roading vs existing Micromobility
- the cultural enablers and disablers for Micromobility in China - and why Micromobility will struggle in the quest for status
In the meantime. The next Micromobility America conference is now scheduled for the 23rd of September. It’ll be at the Craneway in Richmond, across the bay from San Francisco and have more than 50 top speakers from the industry, more than 1000 global participants and 500+ startups and brands represented. If you love this space and want to find your tribe here, head to micromobility.io to find out more details.
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