In this interview, Trevor continues to discuss the Supreme Court of Canada’s decision in R. v. Jordan with Dr. Christopher Sherrin, Associate Dean at Western University Faculty of Law. Trevor and Chris discuss the importance of a reliable justice system, the impact of Jordan, the ongoing issue of delay, whether the Jordan Framework has really changed the manner in which courts assess unreasonable delay applications, Jordan framework and arithmetic, why it may be time to re-consider the automatic stay remedy for unreasonable delay, the importance of judicial flexibility, and the importance of regular reflection on what we want our criminal justice system to achieve.