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Ben and Mark tackle quite the tonal tightrope as they discuss 2019's 'Rosa' and 1965's 'The Romans'. 

Dodging both white liberal hand wringing and patronising audiences of colour, Ben and Mark attempt to discuss the importance and freshness of 'Doctor Who' confronting racism head on. 

As they discuss the relevant Reithian values of both stories, they touch upon the increasing relevance of 'Rosa', amdram productions of 'Grease', the boldness of Season 11's historicals, how Ian and Barbara were definitely at it, and 'The Romans' subtle importance in establishing the character of the Doctor and the show's mission statement going forward. 

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