Let's talk about morphing. Better yet, let's talk about the images and visions that we have that are in-between our reality, like when you snap to focus and there are blurred lines and a bit of a shaky floater in your eyeline. You might see some crazy shit. For Sara Birns, she is a painter of morphing visions and facial structures, things that are recognizably unrecognizable. "I wanted to capture, and realistically reveal the way I interpret the invisible forces that are just beyond the matter our human eyes pick up on," Birns told us a few years ago, and it seems like in a world turned upside down, she is seeing things they way they really are.

On this episode of the Radio Juxtapoz podcast, we sit down with Birns in London during Frieze week as the Santa Cruz-based painter was taking a trip abroad. We speak about the value of an object, the way you can see in-between reality and those incredible morphinng faces she captures.

The Radio Juxtapoz podcast is hosted by FIFTH WALL TV's Doug Gillen and Juxtapoz editor, Evan Pricco. Episode 122 was recorded in October 2023 in London. Follow us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@radiojuxtapoz⁠⁠⁠⁠