Join Leilani and Kimberlyn as they dig into the ways in which religious and spiritual practices can be used to sidestep dealing with difficult truths and looking at what needs to be really seen.

Their check-ins:  Kimberlyn makes a gift of biodegradable, holographic glitter to Leilani; Leilani shares her adventures as she learns Spanish.

Mentioned in the episode:  John Welwood; Ingrid Clayton, Recovering Spirituality: Achieving Emotional Sobriety in Your Spiritual Practice; Ellen Bass, “Getting into Bed on a December Night.” 

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